http://www.deucescracked.com/blogs/sweetjazz3 Recent blog comments published at Isn't that clover? on deucescracked.com en-us Comment on Live 2/5 hand by sweetjazz3 Yeah, so the read is definitely relevant here. The guy has been rather recklessly aggressive so far. He's also clearly drunk. In one hand that stood out, he was up against another aggressive player who had raised preflop and he had cold-called. The flop came 876 with two clubs, the PFR checked, the villian in my hand bet 2/3 pot, the PFR check/raised and the villain tried to 3bet the flop but it ended up being only call because of a string bet. The turn was an offsuit 4, the PFR checked and villain bet big enough to put PFR all-in, PFR folded, and villain tabled QJo. Some other thoughts: 1) If the villain in my hand had a strong hand on the turn, how likely is it that he would try to check/raise it after the flop checked through? Keep in mind that most live players are frightened of giving free cards to straight draws (and flush draws, but there are none in this hand). 2) In my games, especially at 2/5, I find there are a lot of players that just don't step off the gas once they start a bluff. I think it's based on the fact that most other players will reraise right away with their monsters, so they feel emboldened to try to get a fold. They don't necessarily hand read well, but they can read strength/weakness from typical bad live TAGs. And they probably get enough lol folds from TAGs who just won't call a big river bet with 'just one pair' even if their opponent is representing very few combos of value hands. So as you might have guessed by now, I ended up calling the river. This could be simply an anomaly of Harrah's New Orleans compared to other casinos, but I find that a lot of players in my games simply won't give up a bluff once they get started if they don't meet aggressive resistance (being raised or reraised at some point). Given the read I described above, what hand range would you assign villain? I'll give the results in a bit. Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:45:49 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53431 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53431 sweetjazz3 Comment on Live 2/5 hand by corkeye The read that you got is important and i feel my reason for making any decision is hampered at the moment. Generally (against your average joe in a casino), I prob fold river also. He's repping a big hand here, well a hand that beats top pair anyhow on that board. IMO, people generally don't c raise bluff and lead out river often enough in a live environment to make a call profitable. Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:23:16 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53391 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53391 corkeye Comment on Live 2/5 hand by TecmoSuperBowl Oh btw, if my plan seems "correct," I expect some sort of stuffed animal prize. Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:39:32 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53351 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53351 TecmoSuperBowl Comment on Live 2/5 hand by TecmoSuperBowl Because we check the flop, we are underrepping our hand and thus could induce bluffs on the turn. For that reason, I am calling the turn vs most players, with the exception being nits and clearly unimaginative players who take no stock in your check on the flop meaning anything and are merely x/r their 2 pair+ hands. Against them, tis an easy fold on the turn. Also worth noting is that I wouldn't check the flop vs that type of player because the point of checking the flop is to get lighter calls or induce. Vs non-thinking players, we likely won't induce, but we can get light calls without doing anything so betting the flop is likely best. Vs any player who could understand my check on the flop as being weak, I'm calling the turn 100%. As for the river, we need to be good 27% of the time to call. With that being said, I'd be folding most of the time and would only call if I thought villain was aggro/spewy and was capable of bluffing here, or if I developed any sort of physical or bet-sizing tells. In conclusion, I'd say vs any decent player, I'd be calling turn and folding river, barring reads. There just doesn't seem to be many hands villain could have that take this line as a bluff. Vs a weak/passive player, I'm folding the turn, but also betting the flop. Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:25:22 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53331 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47311-Live-2-5-hand#comment53331 TecmoSuperBowl Comment on A thought on variance by sweetjazz3 I wrote it, but it's not 100% original. I've definitely seen others use the phrase 'run worse than you ever thought imaginable' before, either on 2+2 or on DC (but I don't remember who). The rest I think is my own, though maybe my subconscious borrowed some of the other parts too. :-) Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:49:47 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47241-A-thought-on-variance#comment53321 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47241-A-thought-on-variance#comment53321 sweetjazz3 Comment on A thought on variance by Hightower Like it. Who wrote that first? It's quite poignant :) Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:05:49 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47241-A-thought-on-variance#comment53301 /blogs/sweetjazz3/47241-A-thought-on-variance#comment53301 Hightower Comment on Maybe I'll be posting regularly (but probably not) by TecmoSuperBowl I think you and I SJ are in the minority of people who heart the live pokerz :) Anytime you want to discuss it, just lmk! Oh, and I fully agree that flatting stuff like AK/KQ has a ton of merit. Most people will NEVER fold A9 there on the flop. However, most live players' range for x/r is like sets+, so when they get x/r, they immediately assume that's what you have. For that reason, I like x/c flop, x/c turn, and then donk river because the biggest live leak is river betting and they always check the damn river lol. Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:08:24 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52801 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52801 TecmoSuperBowl Comment on Maybe I'll be posting regularly (but probably not) by dayoldhater please do! 2/5 is the biggest game at my casino. Fri, 26 Nov 2010 02:46:47 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52651 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52651 dayoldhater Comment on Maybe I'll be posting regularly (but probably not) by sweetjazz3 Ok Enso, now you've motivated me to make a long post about buying in short in live games ... So get your 'Nit' comment ready again. :) Fri, 26 Nov 2010 01:59:16 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52641 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52641 sweetjazz3 Comment on Maybe I'll be posting regularly (but probably not) by Enso "I have about $320 in a 2/5 game." Nit. Jk :) Nice post Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:16:38 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52571 /blogs/sweetjazz3/46481-Maybe-I-ll-be-posting-regularly-but-probably-not-#comment52571 Enso Comment on How to Think About Limit Holdem: Part Two by JJWoDim @pmania - No, because the LIMIT and NO LIMIT only refer to betting regulations and not card distribution. In both Limit and No Limit each player receives 2 cards at the beginning of each hand and eventually 5 more community cards that everybody can use. Hence, in both game types, you will have up to 7 available cards to you in the same exact fashion. In short, Hold'Em is Hold'Em whether No Limit, Limit, or Pot Limit. So, the real differences are between games. There's Hold'Em, Omaha, Draw, and Stud for a basic rundown. Each game presents players with different numbers of cards at different times during a hand that may or may not be used by other players. Each game (although not always best in practice) may be played with No Limit betting, Limit betting, or Pot Limit betting. Other Rules apply such as High games (where high hand wins pot), Low games (where low hand wins pot), and Hi-Lo Split games (where high and low hand split pot). It may all sound confusing, but really it's comparable to, let's say, playing one of 4 videogames with a friend. Videogames = Hold'Em, Draw, Stud, and Omaha. Depending on which game you play, you'll be able to change the options inside each game. Options = Limit, No Limit, Pot Limit and whether High hand wins, Low hand wins or if High and Low split win. Hope this helped and wasn't too much. Best of luck. Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:26:37 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/464-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-Two#comment33511 /blogs/sweetjazz3/464-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-Two#comment33511 JJWoDim Comment on How to Think About Limit Holdem: Part One by donham1972 that was perfect for me thanks Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:17:28 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/463-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-One#comment15151 /blogs/sweetjazz3/463-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-One#comment15151 donham1972 Comment on How to Think About Limit Holdem: Part Two by pmania Maybe a stupid question, but do you make in Limit Holdem more often a straight then in No Limit Holdem ? Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:11:14 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/464-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-Two#comment460 /blogs/sweetjazz3/464-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-Two#comment460 pmania Comment on How to Think About Limit Holdem: Part One by Entity Hey PokerMagpie, I'm not sure what you mean by the "actual article" -- this is a four part article by sweetjazz, so if you start on part 1 you should be able to read all 4 parts. thanks, Rob Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:03:17 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/463-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-One#comment264 /blogs/sweetjazz3/463-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-One#comment264 Entity Comment on How to Think About Limit Holdem: Part One by PokerMagpie Where is the actual article ? Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:44:13 +0000 /blogs/sweetjazz3/463-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-One#comment263 /blogs/sweetjazz3/463-How-to-Think-About-Limit-Holdem-Part-One#comment263 PokerMagpie