March 04, 2010
Some PLO Hands
Here are some hands I think I misplayed and one I think I played pretty good, imo. Oh and yes I’m taking some “shots†at PLO200. Not trying to win all my downswing back quicker or anything. I just noticed that the games are good and game selecting and finding some good spots should prove really profitable.
In most of the hands it’s a question of whether to lead/donk the flop, check/call or go for check/raise. I think in most of the hands I should have lead when I checked and checked if I lead. Feel free to comment. I’d post some of these in the forum but I didn’t want to spam it. If you think any of them are particularly interesting let me know and I’ll post them there.
On to the hands.
Obviously I should lead here, right? Villain is a lagtard but not braindead. He knows I’m taggy and he’s only cbetting this flop when he’s strong, imo. I have a super strong hand on the flop and turn. Leading turn is no-brainer once it checks through I think. I think I have to bet the river if I want to win, he can fold a lot of small 2 pair hands, missed broadway/flush draws etc. I didn’t feel like he was super strong but he also doesn’t like to fold very much, but there are a lot of hands that can fold and I can easily have a straight I think.
Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.30 Ante – 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $400.00
Hero (BB): $200.00
UTG: $1146.30
MP: $61.45
CO: $710.50
BTN: $593.85
Pre Flop: ($4.80) Hero is BB with 4 
6 
K K
UTG raises to $8.80, 1 fold, CO calls $8.80, 2 folds, Hero calls $6.80
Flop: ($29.20) 4 T 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks
Turn: ($29.20) 2 
(3 players)
Hero bets $29.20, UTG folds, CO calls $29.20
River: ($87.60) 7 
(2 players)
Hero bets $54, CO calls $54
Final Pot: $195.60
Hero shows 4 6 K K (a pair of Kings)
CO shows 5 6 2 4 (a straight, Eight high)
CO wins $192.60
(Rake: $3.00)
Here I think it’s a standard cbet, proably should be a little more. Once he flats though nothing really changes on turn or river except low straights get there and I don’t feel like he’s folding a made hand unless I want go 3barrels which I don’t. I think betting bigger on flop and barrelling the turn 1/2-2/3 pot might be better though.
Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi – 6 players
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BTN: $216.95
SB: $361.20
BB: $641.00
UTG: $780.15
MP: $615.20
Hero (CO): $253.70
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with 9 T J 8
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, SB calls $6, 1 fold
Flop: ($16.00) 5 A 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB calls $10
Turn: ($36.00) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($36.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Final Pot: $36.00
SB shows 8 8 9 A (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows 9 T J 8 (Ace Jack high)
SB wins $34.20
(Rake: $1.80)
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This is a hand I thought I played pretty well. Rainbow with a gap I probably muck from ep or to a tight opener some of the time, I wasn’t sure about opening over the limper here, OTB it’s probably good, but I thought limping behind was fine. Can’t ask for a much better flop imo. SB is a pretty standard tag/reg, he’s repping a set and I mostly believe him. I wasn’t sure about betsizing on the turn. I think I can probably pot it but he probably folds more often if I do, I should definitely bet more though…like 21ish, but the more I bet here determines the river action a ton I think. River I took my time and tried to make seem as weak as possible but going for as much value as I can. I think if I bet too small I miss some value and if I bet over 1/2 pot he’s more likely to just fold. Over all I was happy with it, obv, but I think I need to work on bet-sizing.
Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi – 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BTN): $103.75
SB: $217.65
BB: $104.60
UTG: $173.15
MP: $115.60
CO: $58.65
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with J Q 9 8
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks
Flop: ($4.00) 6 K T (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $12, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $8
Turn: ($28.00) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17, SB calls $17
River: ($62.00) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $27, SB requests TIME, SB calls $27
Final Pot: $116.00
Hero shows J Q 9 8 (a straight, Ace high)
SB mucks 7 K K 4
Hero wins $113.00
(Rake: $3.00)
I’m unsure about a lot of this hand. UTG is unknown tag over small sample, CO is pretty much the reason I’m in the game borderline maniac lagtard. I considered 4betting him to iso him and for value. UTG’s range is pretty strong though and I’d rather flat and see if he wants to 4bet or I can see a flop with position. My first inclination is to bet this flop with NFD and Gutshot, but I’m not really comfortable getting shipped on without an Ace or a better straight draw in my hand. I’m still mixed on what I want to do, but I’m leaning towards betting, NFD is super strong in PLO. Turn improves my equity but brings the straight. I’m not super excited about it but I felt like I had to bet here since getting it is probably never wrong. I’m not so sure now and think checking it back isn’t so bad since I’m probably only getting action from a better hand at this point. Turns out I have 44% vs. any QT** hand and if he has spades it’s like 42% so I can easily just stack off, right? Again, I wasn’t sure about bet-sizing here either.
Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi – 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $431.90
BB: $376.40
UTG: $398.05
MP: $743.15
CO: $614.20
Hero (BTN): $294.30
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with T K K 3
UTG raises to $7, 1 fold, CO raises to $24, Hero calls $24, 2 folds, UTG calls $17
Flop: ($75.00) J 9 A (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($75.00) K (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $48, UTG folds, CO folds
Final Pot: $75.00
Hero wins $72.00
(Rake: $3.00)
First off, I considered folding this when UTG opened, medium pairs from the blinds is a huge leak of mine right now, but once everyone called I was never folding and looking at it now if you’re going to play JJ** from the BB this is probably one of them, right?
I need to be leading this flop, I think. I can’t count on anyone to bet it for me, though I was sure somebody would stab at it. I’m not extremely excited about the turn card but obviously not folding,b/c seems like it could be a better play. idk. River I felt like would get checked back a lot and maybe he has a smaller boat or wants to think I’m bluffing.
Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.30 Ante – 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $488.00
Hero (BB): $218.85
UTG: $1308.90
MP: $240.70
CO: $344.10
BTN: $374.70
Pre Flop: ($4.80) Hero is BB with T 7 J J
UTG raises to $8.80, MP calls $8.80, CO calls $8.80, 2 folds, Hero calls $6.80
Flop: ($38.00) 5 2 J (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks
Turn: ($38.00) K (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets $19, Hero calls $19, UTG folds, MP folds
River: ($76.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $76, CO folds
Final Pot: $76.00
Hero wins $73.00
(Rake: $3.00)
Here’s a hand where I think I could/should or would be better off going for a c/r. I usually open from CO if I’m going to play but I’ve been mixing it up and junky kings I could probably fold to a raise OOP, but with the SB coming a long I think I’ll have good relative position to the btn, which I promptly give away along with the strength of my hand. I’ve been doing this kind of thing a lot lately.
Hand #4
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi – 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $142.75
SB: $428.30
BB: $749.00
UTG: $1026.40
MP: $208.45
Hero (CO): $270.15
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with K K 5 A
2 folds, Hero calls $2, BTN raises to $9, SB calls $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $7
Flop: ($29.00) 9 5 K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $29, BTN folds, SB folds
Final Pot: $29.00
Hero wins $27.55
(Rake: $1.45)
Middle pair from the blinds again…ugh, but decent as far TT** goes I think. Fold pre? BTN is solidish laggish tag reg. Probably not great to play OOP, but not someone I avoid, his range is fairly wide here. This is his standard raise size, at least this session it has been. Lead the flop with TP + oesd? With no fd I wasn’t too psyched about it. Turn I just usually bet once he doesn’t cbet, which I think he would do with most hands unless he was waiting for a clean turn or just was giving up.
Hand #5
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi – 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): $101.75
UTG: $218.65
MP: $104.60
CO: $173.15
BTN: $117.85
SB: $57.65
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with T T K J
3 folds, BTN raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25
Flop: ($5.00) 9 K 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($5.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BTN folds
Final Pot: $5.00
Hero wins $4.75
(Rake: $0.25)
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3 Comments:
KasinoKrime posted on March 05, 2010 at 21:51 PM
First hand is okkkk, although I'll three bet that a lot pre-flop depending on opponent tendencies. KK**ds plays really well in three bet pots OOP against openy players, so if he's opening from EP wide and calling wide, it's not a bad situation for yourself since you lower the SPR (which is good OOP), and your post-flop decision become pretty easy. Fold to a 4b if it gets to that point imo. Calling is totally fine too though. Just something to think about. Post-Flop is fine, although that river is definitely smacks all pieces of his range that aren't FD's. You already beat all 1-pair hands (for the most part), so depends mainly on your opponent and if you think he's capable of laying down two pair. Against passive opponents I probably wouldn't bet; Lagtards probably not either. Overall definitely not terrible.
Second hand is a little player dependent, but I like barreling a lot. Ya the turn completed the straight but I'd be more worried if it was a 9 on the turn instead of a 3. You didn't post reads, but generally something important to remember is that people have a higher tendency to flat big cards out of the blinds than lower rundowns, so for example when the turn completes the straight, I'm not that scared because there's more ABBB cards in his calling range out of the blinds than there are 46** hands, if that makes sense? So basically his calling range on the flop is much more heavily weighted towards Ace/kicker hands. So now it just depends on how likely you think he is to lay those down... Most players you can make lay down with three barrels, sooooo fire away if they want to c/c you down three streets good for them ha. A lot of times though I'll fire two and give up, but it greatly depends on turn and river texture.
Third hand is fine, but I'd probably bet bigger on the turn given your read (so the pot is bigger, and you can get more value since if you bet the same percentage of the pot it's a larger amount etc). People don't like folding sets, and even if they think they're beat they always want to see if they fill up; fuck the odds imo. I'd bet 22'ish
The fourth hand just b/c the flop. It's a 3b pot, the SPR is a little less than 4, and you have a good hand, yes, but other hands can have good equity against you. Lots of worse hands can call you that'll fold to the turn or get it in pretty bad if the spade comes. Q rolls off you get to free roll. The pot is already pretty large, so just bet and take it down. Also, if other players had a piece they would've led the flop since it's so wet. Turn is easy bet imo; QT** would've always bet there 100%. Pre-flop is fine given your reads btw. I played a similar hand to that not long ago, different result though :(. My reasoning for calling was basically that I know the 3b'r in this hand wouldn't 3b an UTG opener light, so AA** is a really big piece of his range. Almost folded the flop tbh, and I think if I didn't have the open ender with my OP+FD I would've. But it was a three bet pot and I'm a spew monkey :). http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/539042
JJT7ds hand looks fine.
KK** hand with top set looks fine too. Ya, I'm thinking BTN cb's that board a lot but I think leading is fine just because letting it check through would suck. No reason to bet pot there though, you have top set and want a call from one player. Bet like 23'ish. People put you on the nuts when you bet pot into two players without the initiative. Basically what I'm saying is you want to get some value when you flop a set of raggedy kings, or you shouldn't play them at all. The whole reasoning behind playing them is to flop top set and get paid, not to flop top set, and only take down a small pot. I like getting one call at least and then bombing good turns.
I usually fold this pre-flop against a good laggy player fwiw; playing OOP sucks. Last hand is fine as played, although I like leading the best. We've talked in lessons about taking the line that represents the widest range of hands, and this definitely does it. And overall I like leading medium strength hands/draws in HU pots for that reason. c/r'ing sucks because you have some equity and you don't want to get it in obv, c/c'ing sucks because it turns your hand face up and you don't gain any information about your opponent, but leading is sweet because if he calls you his hand is kind of face up as well (since almost anything worthwhile would've definitely raised you on the flop), so it creates a cool opportunity for you.
KasinoKrime posted on March 05, 2010 at 21:52 PM
Sorry, I can't seem to get the spacing to work on my comments :)
rvtsteve posted on March 05, 2010 at 22:31 PM
Awesome John. Thanks!
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