January 26, 2010

A Chance for JoeTall to Laugh at Me

I play all stud games terribly. This is something I’m working on, but it’s slow going. Luckily, in poker, you don’t have to always play the game you’re best at. No, you just have to find someone who plays worse than you do.

I’ve found this to be the case within the stud games in the 7-game mix. People’s weakest game is often stud8 or razz (and stud high to a lesser extent). I think it’s interesting that so many people radically misplay razz hands. I mean the cards are all up. They’re right there. And yet I see them cap 3rd with a T up while I’m showing an ace. They donk/call 6th when I have them board locked. They open complete Ts and 9s in stud8 when I have wheel cards as my door.

Here are two hands, one stud8 and one razz. I’m sure I played the razz hand fine so I’m posting it here for lols. I’m also sure I misplayed the stud8 hand. I think 3rd is okay since this villain’s opening range is super wide, but then I’m super lost on later streets. Any input would be awesome.

First the Razz hand:

Full Tilt Poker $50/$100 Limit Razz $10 Ante – 2 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (0.4 SB)
Hero: 3 Club 2 Heart A Club___Hero completes___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx T Spade____Seat 2 brings in for $15____Seat 2 raises____Seat 2 caps!

4th Street: (8.4 SB) (2 players)
Hero: 3 Club 2 Heart A Club 8 Diamond___Hero bets
Seat 2: xx xx T Spade 9 Spade____Seat 2 calls

5th Street: (5.2 BB) (2 players)
Hero: 3 Club 2 Heart A Club 8 Diamond 6 Club___Hero bets
Seat 2: xx xx T Spade 9 Spade 7 Spade____Seat 2 calls

6th Street: (7.2 BB) (2 players)
Hero: 3 Club 2 Heart A Club 8 Diamond 6 Club Q Diamond___Hero raises
Seat 2: xx xx T Spade 9 Spade 7 Spade 3 Heart____Seat 2 bets____Seat 2 calls

7th Street: (11.2 BB) (2 players)
Hero: 3 Club 2 Heart A Club 8 Diamond 6 Club Q Diamond 8 Club___Hero bets
Seat 2: xx xx T Spade 9 Spade 7 Spade 3 Heart xx____Seat 2 checks____Seat 2 calls

Final Pot: 13.2 BB
Hero shows 3 Club 2 Heart A Club 8 Diamond 6 Club Q Diamond 8 Club (8,6,3,2,A)
Seat 2 mucks J Club 2 Diamond T Spade 9 Spade 7 Spade 3 Heart A Spade
Hero wins 13.195 BB
(Rake: $0.50)

And now (gulp) the Stud8 hand:

Full Tilt Poker $25/$50 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $4 Ante – 4 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (0.64 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 7 Spade____Seat 1 completes____Seat 1 calls
Hero: J Diamond J Club 8 Club___Hero raises___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2 Club____Seat 4 brings in for $8____Seat 4 3-bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4 Diamond____Seat 5 folds

4th Street: (9.64 SB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 7 Spade 3 Spade____Seat 1 raises____Seat 1 calls
Hero: J Diamond J Club 8 Club J Spade___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets
Seat 4: xx xx 2 Club T Diamond____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls

5th Street: (9.32 BB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 7 Spade 3 Spade 6 Club____Seat 1 raises
Hero: J Diamond J Club 8 Club J Spade 4 Club___Hero bets___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2 Club T Diamond 4 Heart____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls

6th Street: (15.32 BB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 7 Spade 3 Spade 6 Club 9 Club____Seat 1 raises____Seat 1 calls
Hero: J Diamond J Club 8 Club J Spade 4 Club 2 Diamond___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets
Seat 4: xx xx 2 Club T Diamond 4 Heart 3 Diamond____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 folds

7th Street: (22.32 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 7 Spade 3 Spade 6 Club 9 Club xx____Seat 1 calls
Hero: J Diamond J Club 8 Club J Spade 4 Club 2 Diamond 2 Spade___Hero bets

Final Pot: 24.32 BB
Seat 1 mucks K Diamond 8 Spade 7 Spade 3 Spade 6 Club 9 Club 8 Diamond
Hero shows J Diamond J Club 8 Club J Spade 4 Club 2 Diamond 2 Spade (HI: a full house, Jacks full of Twos)
Hero wins 24.28 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

Posted By OnTheRail15 at 02:53 AM

8 Comments

Tags: joetall razz stud8 7-game I Play Bad

8 Comments:

jjd323 posted on January 26, 2010 at 03:59 AM

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I'm pretty sure 3rd is an EASY fold ion the stud8 hand.


jjd323 posted on January 26, 2010 at 03:59 AM

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obvious typo is obvious


OnTheRail15 posted on January 26, 2010 at 04:06 AM

Ontherail15final

really? even if villain is opening any 3? I believe it. I'm just surprised.


jjd323 posted on January 26, 2010 at 04:27 AM

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Jacks will be junk in any multiway pot, there are two babies behind so it is much less likely villain is stealing ATC. Unless villain is raise/folding a ton and the two guys behind are total nits I can't see you having a great deal of immediate fold equity. Combine that with all the horrendous RIO spots you can end up in and I don't really think you can hope to do much better than break even with buried jacks here, even with perfect play.


OnTheRail15 posted on January 26, 2010 at 08:09 AM

Ontherail15final

Makes sense. I dunno if you saw though: I made a full house.


delcrossb posted on January 26, 2010 at 19:23 PM

Delcrossb

Sick stud8 pot you luckbox.


Joe Tall posted on January 27, 2010 at 01:40 AM

Boston_strong

yep, fold 3rd


liquid_quik posted on January 27, 2010 at 08:58 AM

Canucks_sm

once we play 3rd though putting in a ton of action HAS to be good 3 ways against probable low draws though right?


 

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