May 12, 2010
Hey FTS
I am currently in the session and I think the topic and examples are very interesting. I do have some trouble with hands in the range, like I mentioned. I find it hard to discuss and explain in English, so I thought doing it this way might be better. I do think we are spewing a lot of money by ‘defending’ with small suited connectors, f.e. 53s, 54s. I am not sure about the math of the odds we flop an OESD or flush draw, but our strategy to CR if we flop a good draw doesn’t seem profitable to me even against someone who cbets/folds a lot. The problem is that we don’t flop an OESD much and also the odds of getting a 2/3 suit flop AND having the right suit ourselfs (even then its 1 combo) are pretty slim it seems. If we c/f all other times we don’t make a good draw I think those hand will show a big loss. Not even talking about getting coolered. As for the low pairs 22-55 I also find it hard to believe that those are going to show a profit, because they are really hard to play postflop because we can’t be aggressive with them and he always has outs and we could be crushed and making big mistakes AND they suck for CRing. I think it’s going to be much better to just fold them preflop.
Then if you call with those for range reasons, I think you are giving most villains too much credit. F.e. you said you would call with 22-55 to have many more setcombo’s in your range and the same might be true of some of the low suited connectors. I have a few problems with it. First of all like I said you are giving most villains too much credit. He has to be a good player who puts us on an accurate range. I think most players (even I do) put you on a ‘standard range’ f.e. broadways, mid-decent pairs, suited aces, good suited connectors and they WON’T even KNOW if you have 33 22 or 43s and they probably WON’T FIND OUT also. You would have to show down 33 first before they can put it in your range (and they have to pay attention and note it down then too).
Now what I would do vs someone who cbets a lot with a polarized cbetting range, like most regs is instead of play low suited connectors which have low equity and can only CR on SOME flops and don’t play well OOP is include some more ‘value hands’ like KT, QTs, JT, A9 where I have good equity against a wide button range (and wide cbet range). With those hands I can call him on the flop if I flop a decent hand, if the flop comes xxT or xxK and on the turn we reevaluate based on the board and villain which I don’t find that hard. If the board comes bad and he bets again and isn’t bluffy/barrely we fold and if he is bluffy we call again and if the board comes good it’s easy. Also I would CR with those hands on flops I missed and don’t hit his range much either. f.e. J84r with KT QTs. The benefit of this is that we can make our decision based on the board that comes in relation to his (wide) range and we can do it will all combos of those hands, instead of just 1/4 43s combo’s. I would just try to make him fold. If he has a good (better) hand he will continue by calling or raising and he will fold is he doesn’t have hand (most of the time). After that it becomes pretty easy to play, we mainly give up except for some rare good scare bluff turn/river cards. Also we have a little bit of equity with our overcards.
Now you might say: “wait what? that’s totally unbalanced and what do we represent? There are (too) few value combo’s we can have! It’s totally exploitableâ€. And yes, you would be right. But again I think you give most players too much credit. In our given example if villain raises preflop and we defend with KTo and villain cbets on J84r with say A5o and we CR he most likely will just fold, like with most of his missed hands. Very few villains/regs will click time, put you on an accurate range (with your pockets 2s in it :P), count the combos and bluff raise/float you. I think this strategy works fine and the only balance I would use is to not overdo it. I wouldn’t do it 3 times in a row and make him play back with missed hands.
My conclusion is that your strategy is interesting and refreshing and would work well vs Phil Galfond after you have played a lot with him and he knew your range. Even then we could argue about some hands in the range. Vs almost all other players I think many of the low hands in the range are going to be (very) -ev and the whole strategy/range won’t make up for it.
TL;DR cliffnotes:
- I don’t think low pocket pairs and (low) suited connectors should used for defending from the blinds, because:
- With the low SC’s there are (too) few flops we can CR
- We can’t play aggressive with low PP’s and we guess
- FTS gives villains too much credit for range reading - I think as an alternative it’s better to defend some more good/decent equity hands like KTo QTs
Any comments are welcome.

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