December 08, 2009

Nobody calls me Lebowski, I'm the dude!

All I can think about is exploiting my image at a poker table whenever I hear that line. That’s pretty sick.

I have various flavors of hands and situations to look at today, some will have played out one way, but I want to know what would happen if they played out another. So Krantz, going to need you on this one.

Lets see….

So in this hand, villain is a 6 tabling 19/16 type of a guy that I have no real history with, but seems pretty straightforward. My plan was to fold on the turn if he bet, but once he checks back, I was going to check and raise the river. When I see him NOT bluff the river w/QJ and give up so weakly, should I be more or less likely to checkraise bluff the river in the future. Is your average multitabling guy going to be more likely to bluff me, or more likely to keep playing his standard game? I guess I should build a history with each player and go from there, but what about the initial thought to checkraise this time? Good? Thought process being that he rarely has a flush, I can, he usually has pot controlling Ax hands that will bet/fold the river.

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold’em – 6 players – View hand 412916
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: $183.95
UTG: $305.80
MP: $414.80
CO: $400.00
BTN: $410.00
Hero (SB): $529.80

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with T of hearts T of spades
2 folds, CO raises to $14, 1 fold, Hero calls $12, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.00) 9 of spades 5 of clubs A of spades (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($72.00) K of spades (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($72.00) 3 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Final Pot: $72.00
CO shows J of hearts Q of hearts (Ace King high)
Hero shows T of hearts T of spades (a pair of Tens)
Hero wins $69.00
(Rake: $3.00)

In this next hand, I think I misplayed it (it’s subtle) and I have a crazy idea and I want to know if I should put down the cocaine or keep sniffin’ it. We’re playing 4 handed on one of the 5 handed tables, there’s a fish w/150 bucks or so and then 2 regs and I. I’m sitting here because I want to get in some tougher spots w/regs for educational purposes. I’ve been playing pretty aggressively and winning most of the pots (like 47/40 or something) and villain is also pretty loose, and he’s started to stop folding.

Anyway, in reality I check the flop, check and call the turn, and go for a checkraise on the river. I think it’s OK but what I immediately thought after was, checkraise the turn, and checkraise the river! Thought process being that he isn’t betting A high on the turn, he’s either pot controlling Kx because I’ve been so aggro, slowplaying a J, or turned AQ or a FD. So I think the majority of his turn range is calling a checkraise, and if he is frustrated and picked up a flush draw, he may even jam drawing dead? Too optimistic? Probably, he’s still going to call though. Which brings me to the reason for the river checkraise. He’s probably going to value bet if he hits a flush, he’s prob going to value bet if he has AQ or a K, if he has a J, all that jazz. and if he misses a flush, he has the chance to bluff. Is that good? Or is he going to be checking back thinking there’s no value if I checkraise the turn and check the river b/c I have nuts/air. I’m not entirely sure if I’m on to something or gettin’ fancier than a stelladoro breadstick on a gold plated doiley (which may not even exist but I’ll tell you what, it sounds pretty fucking fancy no?)

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold’em – 5 players – View hand 412933
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $136.05
Hero (BB): $446.10
UTG: $423.00
CO: $0.00
BTN: $497.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with T of clubs J of clubs
UTG raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($26.00) K of spades J of diamonds J of hearts (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($26.00) T of diamonds (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $16, Hero calls $16

River: ($58.00) 5 of hearts (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

OK, I wasn’t entirely sure about barreling on this turn, but here’s what I’m thinking (villain is 30/16 a bit random, not super aggro, not much history)….

I’m ahead of a lot of the draws he’ll peel with again, rarely be checkraised, I may get a fold from a 7 or a T, and I have the 4h (not high value b/c he can def have a bigger heart some but w/e it’s still notable) and A high, and can check down the river.

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold’em – 6 players – View hand 412962
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $206.55
BB: $302.10
UTG: $811.00
MP: $424.10
CO: $400.00
Hero (BTN): $599.50

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with 4 of hearts A of clubs
3 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $10, 1 fold

Flop: ($28.00) Q of spades 7 of hearts T of hearts (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22, SB calls $22

Turn: ($72.00) 2 of hearts (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $44…

I feel like I’m doing well and improving my hand volume, which has been traditionally very poor and a big leak of mine. I’m starting to play more sessions more often, even though the past week has been pretty trying. Like, I had a lot of coaching to do, and that was fine, I love it, butttttt there was one day that I woke up in the middle of the night with terrible indigestion and my throat and chest were swollen and I was weezing and couldn’t breathe. It was terrible and I felt pretty sick for 2 days straight. Food poisoning? Must be. It was pretty nasty. I’m OK now though :)

That’s all I got for today I think. There were some other interesting hands but I don’t want to overload it. Also, speak up folks. I know a lot of you are reading this, ship me some comments. It makes me sad when I don’t get any feedback. We’re all supposed to be improving from this :) Don’t be shy, say hi!

The Jag abides (but not always because I definitely don’t dabble in pacifism, not at the poker table anyway)

Posted By FenderJaguar at 02:32 AM

8 Comments

8 Comments:

ohjoy posted on December 08, 2009 at 10:32 AM

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I'm not shy, so HI!

TT hand I like your plan, it makes a lot of sense. Sucks that you couldn't play it out imo.

JT hand, I think you're getting too fancy, like spelling out your name with chocolate sauce over ice cream or something. His flop check seems to tell us that he's pretty weak obviously, and I think given that, we only get called by AQ and flush draws on the turn, or a turned TT. I don't think he shows up with a ton of those draws, because he'll probably bet the flop with most flush draws given it's a flop that most players cbet close to 100 % of the time if they have like an 86s type hand.

I think checkraising the turn is an excellent semi-bluff because his range is super weak, but when you have like the 4th nuts or something, I think we lose too much value by doing that. Another thing to keep in mind is that his flop check tells us that he doesn't want to play a big pot, so we should probably take a line that gets maximum value from his bluffcatchers. What do you think about taking the lead on the turn and betting turn + river?

The A4 hand, I think I like the idea of the barrel, but 44 into 72 feels too small for me. It kind of feels like you're throwing rocks in a spot where you probably should be bombing. I think you get more folds from mid pairs and weak turned flush draws (or a combination of the two) and stuff if you bet like 55. The problem is obviously stack sizes. If you bet 55 and he calls, the pot will be something like 180 and he'll have 120 behind. Maybe just bet 48 or so, making the pot like 165 and setting up a better river shove. 44 feels like it's too small to fold a T9o with a heart type hand or something. It's only a $4 difference, but 48 looks so much bigger than 44. It's something about the psychology. Maybe 47 is better too, although there's a very small difference. Fwiw, I think you should shove the river if he calls, because he probably is very call-happy (given the big space between VPIP and PFR) and if that's the case, he's going to consistently get to the river with a range too weak to profitably call a shove.

I'm thinking in terms of marketing here, and how you would price your product. Your product is obviously the bluff, and you should bet an amount that gets called less often, but the cheapest amount you can get away with. It's kind of like Apple, pricing their MacBooks as high as they can without making it seem overly expensive.


ohjoy posted on December 08, 2009 at 10:33 AM

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oh god, that looks like a mess, but the enter button didn't wanna work ):


Tranqville posted on December 08, 2009 at 18:58 PM

пелевин

JT hand, to get as fancy as a marinated eggplant grilled in Remy Martin Cognac Black Pearl Louis XIII, how about min c/r flop, donk river really small?


FenderJaguar posted on December 08, 2009 at 22:11 PM

Tron3

I like the checkraise on the turn in the TJ hand. He's always going to fire his pot controlling pairs and if he did randomly check back something that picked up a flush draw he's betting, and A high I'm not going to get more than 1 street out of unless it improves anyway, usually, I would rather delayed checkraise the turn than lead turn and river vs. this type of guy. that may change in another spot vs. another dude. but vs. a guy I'd be leading turn vs. I may just lead flop too, anyway. I agree the whole thing sounds pretty fancy but I think I have solid reasoning. I'm not entirely sold either way yet beyond the turn checkraise.




I think $44 is ok, I had previously used this successfully against this player as well, so I figured may as well keep it uniform b/c if he folded last time he's prob folding this time. Slightly bigger could be a bit better but I think in general unless the bet is super big or super small, he's not going to often make a distinction between similar midsized bets. Yeah river we have flexibility! I don't see myself shoving there a ton but it's possible thanks to.... flexibility! haha. Thanks for the feedback :)




I'm trying to use page breaks, but I'm an HTML retard so it's probably going to fail and look ridiculous :D.




Tranq what about check and minraise ALL THREE STREETS lol. or or or, how about, minbet/call flop, minbet/call turn, minbet/clickitback river :D


FenderJaguar posted on December 08, 2009 at 22:15 PM

Tron3

oh and that avatar ohjoy, is pretttttty zany hehe


ohjoy posted on December 09, 2009 at 03:17 AM

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it's a mental self portrait


FenderJaguar posted on December 09, 2009 at 03:19 AM

Tron3

maybe you'd do better playing live poker :D lol


ohjoy posted on December 11, 2009 at 00:21 AM

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haha yeah, too bad the shit's illegal over here. online pokers is fine, but live poker is a crime. fml.


 

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