April 19, 2012

PTR removed Pokerstars profiles

Great news! I think this is an important step to guarantee the longterm health of the game. Thums Up Pokerstars!!

But I think that we should see this only as a first fight in the longterm poker health war. Was PTR the first site to offer information from a gigantic database? No, it wasn't. There was and there still is another site where you can get your poker edge from. I really hope Pokerstars will get rid of that site, too.

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From my perspective, the overall game will become softer again through this. Why? Ok, here is my answer:

While at the moment a lot of players are able to look other players up and table select way to well they now might have to stop doing it. So a lot of the players who are currently playing let's say nl400 have to move down in stakes, and not only to nl200, no they need to move down to nl100. Sounds shocking, right? The other benefit is that players from nl400 who are really strong enough are now able to move up in stakes, because the weaker reg pool of let's say nl1k has to move down. The fish/reg ratio will remain the same, but the regpool will change in a really dramatic way. So the limit nl400 will be a level were players with the skill to beat nl400 and the ones who want to play nl400 do play. Of course there will be some bumhunters, too, but I believe that most of them will simply giveup after a few months when they realize that they don't get enough "good" volumne in to justify their time.

One at least interesting question should be: Is this good for a player who works on his game and who is trying to move up?

Tbh, idk. I'm a little bit afraid that the skill gap between limits might become a little bit to big so for example it might become really tough for a nl25 player to reach nl200 in a year. Some will get there obv, because of talent/heater, but overall I doubt that a lot of players will be able to move up easily. But in order to see the bigger picture, I think it is better for him to be able to maybe play nl200 in let's say 5 years and having the same amount of fish playing there. So the benefits really outweigh the negatives.

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One last thing I'd like to add: I believe a lot of people out there posting on 2+2 etc are some type of hypocrite. The use of this word might be a little bit to hard, but come on, once you have spotted PTR, we were all looking ourselfs up, and even our pokerbuddies. Later we used it to become a picture of poker coaches or simply looking some guy up who we felt "just got lucky against us" or something similar to that. I have used PTR a lot. I didn't use it for table selection (I think for 6m it's not really worth the time), but I used it. And I feel like a lot of people out there trying to say: "I never used it" and I just feel like "srsly, come on..". Am I happy that PTR isn't publishing profiles of stars players anymore? Of course am I! When I wanted to get into HU I can remember that a lot of people didn't play me, because "I was to good", even so I only had played like 2-3k hands and was losing! They just saw that I had played some hands at nl400sh. This is the way PTR shouldn't be used, but because people did so, I think it is the only correct step by Pokerstars to stop them offering that service.

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shuttle posted on April 19, 2012 at 20:10 PM

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"One at least interesting question should be: Is this good for a player who works on his game and who is trying to move up?" I think it's good. The main problem is that people are super lazy with working on their game. I think many people who think they are working on their game are actually doing a super poor job of this. But that aside, if people are actually working on their game it's a good thing because the main source of profit the bumhunters are having is just playing people who suck, not from playing high level poker. So the thing about it is that by actually being good at the game you should be able to move up quicker I think if game selection isn't just done for you by another site. Also if game quality is better across the board then it's going to be good for anyone trying to move up.


CivSTAR posted on April 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM

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very good points. especially the one with working on your own game. I feel close to everyone has a bad play/theory schedule for himself. especially when I talk to people who play <=nl50 I feel like they are just grinding grinding grinding, but when it comes to theory, they watch like 1-2 vids per week and think that's all they have to do to become better. obv they are wrong with it, but they fail to admit it.


shuttle posted on April 20, 2012 at 19:21 PM

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Right, 1-2 vids a week especially if they are being passively watched is simply not enough to get to a high level. Time needs to be spent reviewing marked hands, posting hands, watching videos, recording your own play then watching that later, doing EV calcs, doing sweat sessions, etc. There's simply a lot to do and I think that people would do much better if they spent like an hour a day on this stuff but in reality hardly anyone does.


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