May 06, 2010

A beginners guide to craps

With my latest trip to the Casino I taught a few people how to play craps. They were able to pick it up in one session and get comfortable in 2 or 3 sessions. Thinking back to my first time at the craps table it can be an incredibly intimidating place. The dealers can be extremely sarcastic, there are words you’ve never heard before, and it’s a very fast paced game. Hopefully this quick guide will help anyone looking to jump into the game.

I like the game since it’s faced paced and nowadays at most casinos you can play only giving the casino about a .4% edge. Also, it’s a fun game interacting with the other players and the dealers and I’ll stand by this; there’s nothing better in a casino than a hot craps table.

I’m going to teach a very basic style learned from this book. For anyone looking to learn I would buy the book as he breaks it down over chapters while I’ll be doing it in a couple paragraphs. If there’s enough interest maybe this could also be a Sunday video with me playing an explaining my thought process behind each bet.

Above is the image of a craps layout, I’m going to be referencing frequently throughout the post. I’m going to show a very simplistic way. There are a little more high variance/-EV ways to play that I’ll mix in every once in a while but generally I just stick with this one way. Also, keep in mind craps is always going to be a -EV game and there’s no winning system no matter what people tell you. I always play the table minimum and play for fun.

For beginners, I’m going to teach you the “right” way to play which means you’re betting with the dice. ~ 90% of the players bet with the dice, you can also bet against the shooter but this would make the blog entry much longer. The first roll is when this button (as shown below) is off. It is known as the come out roll. For the sake of this entry we’ll pretend we’re playing at a $5 table.

When the button is off and you have your chips you want to place a $5 chip on the pass line (pays 1:1). On the come out roll, we win on a 7 or 11 and we lose on a 2, 3, or 12. If we win they’ll pay the pass line and if we lose they’ll take our money and we put $5 back down. If the shooter rolls a 4,5,6,8,9, or 10 then the button is flipped over to on and moved behind that number. This is where the game gets much more complicated.

Now first of all for the sake of the blog we’ll pretend we’re playing with 3x,4x,5x odds as that’s the most common form today. Most practice website has double odds and I’ll explain what all this means in a second. Basically the odds bet is the only true bet in the casino, the house has no edge on these. For a 4 or 10 you’re paid 2:1 on your odds bet, for a 5 or 9 you’re paid 3:2, for a 6 or 8 you’re paid 6:5.

The odds bet is placed behind the pass line. So at a $5 table you’re able to place $15 (3x) on a 4 or 10, $20 on a 5 or 9 (4x), and $25 on a 6 or 8 (5x). Whatever the button is on, this is called the point. We need that number to come in before a 7. So for example if a 5 is rolled on a come out roll we place $20 behind the line and need a 5 to be rolled before a 7. If a 5 is rolled before a 7 we win our pass line bet (1:1 on our $5) and our odds bet (3:2 on our $20).

This is called making our point. If this happens the button goes back to off and we start the whole process over again. If a 7 comes when the point is established we lose and the button goes back to being off and we start the whole process over again. The main difference here is the dice changes hand. It’s moved clockwise around the table and only changes hand after someone sevens out.

Ok, so far we’ve established what happens on the come out roll and how a point is established and how we win/lose after that point is made. Now lets say the come out roll was a 5, there’s nothing wrong with betting the pass line with odds and nothing else. However having one number can get a little boring. Fortunately there’s a way to make more bets with odds. These are made through the come box.

In order to make a come bet, a point has to be established. The first roll after a point is made, I make a come bet. To do so, you just place a $5 bet in the come box. The come bet is the exact same as a pass line bet in that on the initial roll you win on a 7 or 11 and lose on a 2, 3, or 12. If the roll is a 4 through 10 sans 7 that point is established. Lets say it’s a 6, the dealer takes our $5 and puts it inside the 6 at the top of the felt. I would then place $25 on the table and ask for odds. The dealer will then take that $25 on the $5 chip and we’ll be good to go. Now we win with a 5 or 6 and lose on a 7.

I always make 2 come bets so I have 3 numbers working at all times. So I then place $5 in the come box and lets say a 9 is rolled. I’ll toss the dealer $20 and then I’ll have the 5,6,9 and just hope for one of those numbers to hit before a 7. If a 7 hits we lose all 3 bets. If a 5 hits we win our initial bet, the button is then turned off and the point needs to be re-established. Something to know is when the button is off, the come bet is always “active” which means you win your 1:1 on your $5 if your number hits and lose it if a 7 comes. However, your odds bets are always off so if a 7 comes you lose the $5 on the 6 and 9, get your odds back, and win your pass line bet.

I’ll now take you through a sequence of rolls and hopefully it becomes a bit clearer.

2: lose our pass line bet
4: place $15 behind the pass line, make a $5 come bet
7: lose our pass line bet ($5) and odds bet ($15), win our come bet ($5)

Total for the roll. -5 -5 -15 + 5= -$20

Now the dice are passed, we place $5 on the pass line

5: place $20 behind the pass line and make a $5 come bet
9: give $20 to the dealer asking for odds, make a $5 come bet
8: give $25 to the dealer, now we have our 3 numbers
2: nothing happens
11: nothing happens
8: win our come bet bet ($5 @ 1:1), win our odds bet ($30, $25 @ 6:5), make another $5 come bet
6: give dealer $25
5: win our pass line bet ($5 @ 1:1), win our odds bet ($30, $20 @ 3:2)

Now we place $5 on the pass line and start over again. Remember our odds bets are off on our 8 and 9.

8: place $25 behind the pass line.
9: win our pass line bet ($5 @ 1:1), win our odds bet ($30, $20 @ 3:2), make another $5 come bet
7: lose our $5 pass line bet on the 8 with our 25 odds, lose our $5 come bet on the 5 with our $20 odds, win our come bet.

Total for the roll= 30 + 10 + 30 +10 + 30 +10 +10 -5 -25 -5 -20= +75 for the roll

And that process goes on and on. The easiest way to learn is to play and there are a ton of free craps games out there my personal favorite is here. There’s a ton more to talk about but it’ll get a bit more complicated and a lot longer. I tend to incrementally increase my bet after I hit a point and/or a come bet and will also make so place bets every once in a while which are a completely different animal. Also, there’s tipping, etiquette, etc that you can learn from either playing or reading online.

However those are the basics and with those you can definitely hold your own at the table. If you have any questions, let me know and I’ll be happy to answer any questions.

Problems are the price you pay for progress. ~Branch Rickey

Posted By bosoxx34 at 04:17 AM

20 Comments

20 Comments:

fopah posted on May 06, 2010 at 04:35 AM

Stlouiscardinals_100

wow this is intense. im gonna have to read this like 4 times


DiggerTheDog posted on May 06, 2010 at 07:16 AM

Chuck

Post - should be titled how to become an expert degen.
Any reason behind only betting 3 come bets?
Do you ever lay numbers?

My current crap theory is to assess whether or not the thrower is a loser or not .......and just assume that if they are things will not change for that guy/gal and bet against them. ( theory has a few tweaks - never bet against 8+ looking women and bald men with gold chains)

Thoughts on my theory?


rvtsteve posted on May 06, 2010 at 16:11 PM

Mtrscience

Awesome intro. I used to play a lot of craps, but haven't played in like 5 years. It's a lot of fun.

Instead of a "Now for Something Different" you should start a new kind of vid series for DC. "The Discerning Degen" or something! :)


RIGGED! posted on May 06, 2010 at 16:58 PM

Seattle_seahawks

Sweet post. I was always a pass line and come bet player also. Didn't usually play two come bets tho. Interesting. Also, I wasn't exactly sure how much I could bet for odds. Great informative post.


bosoxx34 posted on May 06, 2010 at 21:06 PM

Boston-red-sox-logo

No real reason for only 2 come bets. It's nice to have 3 numbers working for you and anything more would just be a bit too much variance for me. Also, Digger your theory is spot on. I'd like to add old men in suits as well.

Rigged, generally how much you can bet for odds is on the table limit part of the table. Also, you can always just ask the dealers.


DJ Sensei posted on May 06, 2010 at 21:20 PM

Unicorn1

also important: yell "no diablo!" before every roll (at least after the point is set)


fopah posted on May 07, 2010 at 02:16 AM

Stlouiscardinals_100

if we are in vegas at the same time we should def hit a craps table imo


432A posted on May 07, 2010 at 07:32 AM

4s_3h_2d_ac

Great post and 100% accurate!

I've got over 10 years as a dealer/supervisor and craps was my main game.

I know you're not trying to get confusing but you might want to note that while the odds on a come bet are "off" on the come out roll in MOST casinos there have been casinos where they work unless you ask for them to be off and you have to ask every come out roll. If you ever see a game where they don't turn the puck to off when they move it to the don't come for a new shooter you should ask as it should mean the odds are working.

Great idea for a post IMO we've talked many times in the casino about how the (old dying off) craps players all learned the game during WWII. I've never understood why casinos don't do more to educate new players but I guess they'd rather have them playing slots...

I'd do some craps etiquette as well, you don't want someone trying to place a wager on the pass line if the puck is already on a number or trying to pick up a pass line bet while the shooter is out on a point. Pass line bets (and come bets once on a number)are "contract" bets meaning they must see a decision. Odds are not and may be placed or taken down at any time. Pick up your pass line odds any time you want but you have to ask the dealer to take down the come bet odds. Players should never reach into the area where the boxes of numbers 4 5 6 8 9 10 are. Same thing for the area in front of the dealer on the players side of the table the "stickman". He's the guy who controls the flow of the game and move the dice around. You can ask him or your dealer to place or remove bets infront of the stickman.

If you have any questions or if I can help let me know.


bosoxx34 posted on May 07, 2010 at 14:18 PM

Boston-red-sox-logo

Awesome follow up. I was going to add something like you did but it would've made it really long and you explained it better than I could anyways.

I've always wondered, what do dealers prefer as far as tipping? I see a lot of people throw them yo, horn, field bets while I typically give them a $1 passline bet with full odds. Was never sure what they liked best. Or do they just prefer a random tip and to not be included in the roll?


432A posted on May 07, 2010 at 15:34 PM

4s_3h_2d_ac

I'd say 1% would rather take the tip and drop it in the toke box. The rest of them are gamblers at heart just like you and would rather ride along with any bet you have. They would rather lose a bet with you to get the chance to win along with you.

Lot of people think the dealers want to see them lose. That is 100% true IF you're an asshole. Otherwise they're just working schmucks like everyone else and they like seeing people win. Everybody loves a winner.

If you really want to know what a dealer who you think has earned it wants to do with a toke ask him. He'll tell you if he/she'd rather just drop it in the box.

BTW nice picture of the puck. You call it the button and it's funny but until you did, I never thought of describing it that way to friends who have been exposed to poker.

There are what the rest of the casino calls lammers (little round plastic buttons sometimes clear, sometimes with amounts on them) that the craps pit calls buttons and what you're calling the button is correctly termed a puck in craps.

I like how you used the term poker players would know I just point it out for the sake of correctness.


432A posted on May 07, 2010 at 15:47 PM

4s_3h_2d_ac

Oh any any dealer who's not a break-in will talk you out of placing really bad bets with a tip. Try and place an any seven for the dealers. It's the worst bet on the table. Most dealers would talk you out of it unless you're a don't player or something. They might try to steer you away from a field bet, that kind of thing. They love some of the bigger payoff bets though my buddy Danny C. would ALWAYS put our money on the ace deuce because "...you know it's coming"

HOW MUCH ON THE ACE DEUCE?!?!


bosoxx34 posted on May 07, 2010 at 16:44 PM

Boston-red-sox-logo

Wow, I never realized I called the puck the button and yeah I figured most like to get bets placed for them. I tend to tip more than most but most of the time when I forget to take odds, the dealers are quick to remind me.


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