Why Good Table Selection is Not Enough
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You heard it here first: table selection is not important at 6-max limit hold’em. Mere table selection will not make you a winner if you’re just breaking even. Don’t get me wrong, you absolutely need to pay attention to game selection at lower limits to maximize your win-rate and combat the obscene rake. But table selection won’t get it done at six-max; you need to SEAT SELECT. With proper seat selection, I firmly believe a break even player who pays no attention to seat choice would literally crush the same lower limit by following one rule: THE LOOSE PASSIVE GOES TO YOUR RIGHT.
When Entity first started coaching me a couple of months ago, he initially commented that I am the most loose-aggressive student he has taught. In fact, our first discussion concerned toning down my post-flop aggression in certain situations. Despite my many leaks, he laughed and complimented me during one sweat session that I twice in one orbit said, “man that’s a [censored] river,” while I fired away anyhow. Despite my inner lag-tard, however, there is one area of my game in which I’m rockier than a 78 year old buried in a racing form at a 1-3 stud table—SEAT SELECTION.
Remember, if you’re playing $.5/1 while building your skills and growing your bankroll, so are other people. They’re watching “The Price is Right” and learning how to slaughter a $1/2 game while butchering their opponents’ names, too. You don’t want to play pots with them any more than you have to. You want to take money from the fish. Of the many types of fish in the sea, the one that is far and away the most common and the easiest to take advantage of is the loose-passive.
At lower levels (I play $3/6 and am starting at $5/10), the majority of my profits come from loose passive players. There are a number of reasons for this, which I’m sure you already know. They play way too many hands. They play them way too far. They stick around and chase when they’re behind, yet they give away free cards and miss bets and raises when they’re ahead. They win little pots yet lose all the big ones. Finally, when they do wake up and play back at you, you can absolutely believe their raise for what it represents—a big hand. Put simply, when luck does go their way for awhile, the only chance they have to avoid giving it back is to quit while that cruel wench variance has favored them over you and I.
Sure, tight-aggressive players have huge holes in their games at the lower limits, and a great player will exploit them. Likewise, overly-aggressive maniacs will bluff raise you their entire stack when they have zero fold equity and are drawing almost dead. But these opponents are fall less easy to exploit and far less common than loose passives.
THE RULE: Loose passives sit to your right. That’s it. It’s that easy. Try it. It will make an enormous difference in your win-rate.
More specifically, you want the loose-passive we described above either to your immediate right or two seats to your right. Never further and never to your left.
When a player is to your immediate right, he will have position on you once in the entire orbit. Not coincidentally, the only time that happens you will be in the small blind, anyway, the worst position at the entire table! When he is two to your right, he will have position twice, and both times you will be in the blinds, the least profitable positions anyway. Better yet, the loose-passive will never steal your blinds. He’ll limp in from the cutoff and the button, giving you free looks at flops you’re not entitled to see and free chances at pots you’re not entitled to win.
More importantly, when you’re not in the blinds, you’ll get first crack at punishing his mistakes with isolation raises. You’ll tell the other players that you have a hand, and force them to call two-cold or three-bet to play pots with the fish. You’ll be able to play tons of pots heads-up in position (the advantage of which is a whole other discussion) with someone who does not bet when he should, calls when he shouldn’t, and thinks a check-raise is a new frosted kids cereal with two-scoops of fruity goodness.
You’ll get to bet the turn for a free showdown whenever you want. You’ll get to check behind to induce a river bluff against someone who will never see what you’re doing no matter how many times you do it. Finally, you’ll get to value bet every single street when he’s drawing hopelessly behind.
By contrast, when the loose-passive is to your left—ABC LagTag play can be a nightmare when the board doesn’t cooperate. You’ll need to tighten up your raising standards, because your opponent will call two-cold with any hand, and invite the rest of the field with good odds and position on you to do the same. You’ll never know if AQ high is light years ahead of your opponent or drawing nearly dead, because he’ll call you down either way. But out of position, you’ll need to fire all three streets, or check and hand your opponent an invitation that even the biggest fish can read as, “I missed, so please take a stab at this pot.” You’ll have an unimproved AK against 4 opponents the loose-passive to your left invited along, and your position will force you to give up more than you’d like.
Unquestionably, there are counters to these problems. You can tighten your range. You can check-raise big hands to prevent him from betting in later hands. You can do fine winning less pots that are bigger because they’re multi-way. Many beginners don't make these adjustments, though, and just keep pounding away from out of position into opponents who will only fold when they're beat. These adjustments aren’t easy and they aren’t necessary to get started beating the lower limit games. Just pick a table where the loose passive is to your RIGHT. (This begs the question, who do you want to your left? The answer is a tight-passive or tight-aggressive player. He will play too few hands against your isolating range. He will give up his blinds too easily. And he’ll respect your raises because Ed Miller told him to.)
When picking a seat, there are many things you can look for if the opponents are unknown to you. Generally, loose passives are the most common BAD players, so be on the look-out for generally signs that someone doesn’t play well. First, look for an opponent who is severely short-stacked for the game. If he bought in for ten bets or has been playing and only has 8 bets in front of him, he might be good but almost always isn’t. Second, and better yet, if he open limps from any position, but especially from the cutoff or the button, and has an open seat to his left, you want it. Finally, look at how many hands he is playing, how many he is showing down, and what hands he is showing down. Replay those hands in your head, and it will be instantly clear if that player made the mistake of being too loose and too passive in the hand.
Don’t be afraid to switch seats at an online table. It happens all the time live (usually for bad, superstitious reasons), yet very few people do it online. I’ll very often see a better seat open, and race to grab it before someone else does. You need to make sure there’s no waiting list and risk giving up your current seat, but it’s worth it in many cases.
Finally, if you can’t find a good seat, YOU DON’T HAVE TO PLAY. If there are no good $3/6 tables, I’ll check $2/4 and $1/2. If there are none of them, I won’t play. Period. I’ve found that Pokerstars for example, is terrible on early Saturday mornings in the U.S. Eastern time zone. Two weeks in a row I’ve woken up eager to play, found the available games and seats sucked, and watched some videos instead. If you want to practice playing LAGs and TAGs, do it at lower than your usual stakes and realize that the session is about working on your game and/or challenging your skills, not maximizing profits. If you want the money to flow to you like Krantz is pissed off that you’re wearing a fruitier-than-a-tangerine Harry Potter scarf, PUT THE LOOSE PASSIVE FISH TO YOUR RIGHT.
DISCLAIMER: There is a more thorough and better discussion of this topic elsewhere, most notably in Elements of Poker by Tommy Angelo. I am not claiming to say anything groundbreaking, only to put forth a simple rule that is well known to experts but not repeated enough to those of us getting started, yet which can have a much bigger impact on results than many of the minutiae we discuss here.
published Mar 10, 2008 8:34pm by HLS2k6
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Good article.
This advice is always worth rehashing. Even if it isn't groundbreaking, it truly makes a big difference in win-rate and confidence at the table.
I'd urge anyone that feels they are currently running bad to practice this meticulously for the next few sessions.
Most times when I've felt I was running bad, it's usually because I wasn't seat selecting well. I ended up having session after session with an avid cold caller on my left and was trying to play uphill poker.
NIce bit there man. This can a huge make the difference in havng a winning sesison or a losing session. Joe tall taught me this at our very first live sit down. I have tried to explain this to a few other 2+2ers I play live with and they are finally starting to see the light. Some are still convinced however that they want me on their right so they can have position over me. They just are not getting it. In fact a few nights ago Joe watched an 8/16 game I was playing in with a fellow 2+2er who is solid player and I think Joe & I finally convinced him that sitting on my immediate left was not a good thing at all. It is cool when your bud is right next to you but if he really wanted to max his $ potential then he should have moved. He gets it now though after this session. I think one of the reasons that he didn't move was also that I had 3 bad LP players to my right and he was getting a fair crack at their $ when I folded PF. But, I was getting first crack at their $ and he had to fold when I would raise most of the time PF. This is key
Love it !
Will pay more attention to seat selection now :)
HLS - I'm sad that you wrote this as I was almost positive I was the only low stakes HE player who knew this and employed it in their play. :) But seriously, great article - you bring up a lot of really great points. I 100% agree with you that people underestimate the value of a good seat.
I think a lot of players interpret the Rounders, 'if you can't find the fish at the table...' as stating that the fish makes the game good for everyone, regardless of your position relative to the fish.
In my mind part of it comes back to the old Mike Caro aphorism - 'money at a poker table flows clockwise.' Being able to value bet the fish to death and never having to worry about them attacking your blinds are HUGE benefits.
I would add two things that I think you alluded to but didn't state explicitly:
1) In my experience it is VERY rare that even a decent low limit player will realize that you are isolating the fish weak and counter by 3-betting/re-isolating light. In other words, you're allowed to continue with this strategy with virtual impunity for as long as the fish has money.
2) When the LP is to your right I often play hands like this: I raise with a valid, but not super-strong hand for my position. The fish cold calls because that is what they do. Another player behind him cold calls as well since he has position and the pot's now getting bigger (some may even realize that I can't re-pop it even if I have a big hand). Likewise, the blinds become much more likely to call, tempted by the bloated pot.
Basically I end up in a multi-way pot with a marginal hand out of position - not a good spot to be in unless I often crush the flop.
These considerations are so significant that I will often pass on a table where a known fish will be on my left. I've even passed on tables with two fish to my left, especially if there are one or two TAG/LAG or maniacal players to my right. I expect that if I sit at that table the players to my right will soak up most of the fish's money and make it hard for me to get into pot's with the fish unless I'm willing to 3-bet and gamboool it up a bit.
Hmm...I'm used to trying to get LAGs on my right and TP or TAG to my left with the idea that it doesn't really matter where the LPs sit as they're contributing regardless. This article and PygmyHero's reply--along with advice from a recent session review--point out why I'm wrong to not care about LP on my left. Playing at micro limits the weapon of blind-stealing is almost taken away because at least one of the next two players is going to have a VP$IP of 40+.
The problem (or *a* problem with a game as leaky as mine) is the sense that I don't have much opportunity for seat selection. Playing short sessions and sitting on waiting lists means that much of the time available for play is spent watching, and once a seat opens at a "good" table I'm very inclined to grab it unless it puts a LAG at my left. I guess I just need to suppress that inclination and simply not sit down with LPs at my left, or get up as soon as I figure out that the unknowns are LPs or LAGs. [Memo: the unknowns often *are* LPs or LAGs because the known players are usually the regular TAGs.]
nice read
the last 2 days i have been playing only 2-3 tables instead of my normal 6-8 as i decided to be a seat selection NIT and it has been working great
thanks
